I do have a need for truth, for clarity, for a position to be proven, not simply taken. So if you wish to come here and talk, please do, but you will need to make your case. Anyone can comment, all need to explain. If you can't, claim it as your personal belief, clarify what you have or haven't done in your quest for truth and reality.
Friday, October 19, 2007
Manifesto
I have no fear of the world around me. I have no need to reassure myself that what I chose is correct. I have no fear of every thought placed out there. I have no fear of the sneer of others, of the snide looks. I have no fear of being labeled according to someone's prejudices. I have no fear of rumor, of innuendo. I have no fear of lies created out of this air. I have no fear that with time, truth will be told. I have no fear of hyper-intellectualism. I have no fear of debaters that think to crush the soul with argument.
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come on
you have your agenda
lol
'You have no fear'
So why are you so obsessed with 'proving' that Lubavitch is part of Judaism?
'Hein bidoishov loi yaamin'
Do you know what this possuk is referring to according to the medrash quoted by Rashi?
Hint:Apparently you have greater confidence in yourself and your leaders.
Another small point:You for example(and other Lubab.Sorry, but you guys all talk in one voice that it's easy to get mixed up)Have made small points major tenets of your faith.For example:The Kherson Geniza is a clear and very unprofessional forgery.Why is it such a major point in your faith to make up stories to support this nonsense?So the Rebbe(R'SH'B) made a mistake, apparently because he did not scrutinize it carefully enough or maybe was not an historian to know all the exact details.Big deal.But why the cover up?
This shabbos I had to explain to a non Lubab a question he asked me.We were discussing David Assafs book where one chapter was dedicated to the conversion of R'Moshe son of the A.R.He asked me what the big deal was, what about it made Lubab go bananas,I mean things like this have happened to the greatest of men and people have a choice or mental illness or whatever..My answer was:Actually I'm not sure that the main component that sent Lubab into a rage were the actual conversion facts, after all many 'tse'estoim did not remaim frum, just like in other places,nor vos,here the FR had a cover up tale with losing a debate, golus ,a fanciful tale geared towards kids, once the cover up began, Lubab, apparently as part of their faith are not allowed to admit that their leaders made a mistake.
Btw I remenber the Rebbe gave a whole explanation about why he read the wrong Haftoireh once, on a shabbos in 770.Nobody had the courage to correct him, and apparently a simple answer such as 'Sorry,I'm human and made a mistake' would not pass muster by the Lubab.
P.s please save yourself your terutz that people are throwing out 'words'.We've heard it, it's old and silly
*Hein bikdoishov loh yaamin
You've heard it, but not one person has come to the plate to explain themselves. Does that mean it is correct?
You use forgery again, having no idea what a forgery is. You throw out conversion and mental illness as if there is no meaning behind those words, no choice that comes with them, no reality behind them.
Of course I have an agenda: truth.
your agenda is the truth,lol
This story is irrelevant for a non LUB
Many ppl are telling you, but according to you everyone should be amazed about this
Come on
'Truth'
If you were looking for truth you would not be a Lubavitcher.
Guravitzer was born a Lub
Not choice for him
Do you not even pretend a meaning for the word "many"? This is unbelievable, I think I will take up anthropology or sociology or something of the sort and study the loss of meaning of words in frum communities based on Yeshiva structure.
You guys can't even make as simple a point - wrong as it may be - that being born one way mean lack of choice. Your statements do not form reality.
Lest test you if u r a real LUB
Do u do the mitzvos for Hashem or for the Rebbe?
I didn't ask you to come here to test me.
lol,
ok, not a test, just a simple question
you don't sound like a Yechi guy
This is an important question
nu?
not an answer?
No, I am not a Yechi guy.
Truth and Chabad.You make me laugh.
They cannot even accept the eventuality of all men.They still call him shlit'a.The 'so called' normal ones still do not give him the zatzal suffix,and all of them consider him 'Nosi Hadeyr'.Dead Nosi Hadeyr??Self elected Nosi Hadeyr??Did they ask anybody before he was 'elected'?
Pravda style 'truth'
Want an example of 'truth'?
'Psak din' on what side to put the mezuza on runs counter to all we know but supposedly based on 'rishoinim'.But wait one second:Loi bashomayim hee,I though?What,when Rishoinim?Apparently a mistake...Ok, there is a whole sefer printed up many years ago that shows that even the greatest of men made mistakes even obvious mistakes and the Sefer Hachinuch although disagreeing one time with the Ramba'm still says that the sign of greatness is the fewer mistakes made(since everyone, besides Hashem (and according to Lubab, The Rebbe)is susceptible to a mistake)
Instead of Chabad realizing the 'truth' they concoct 'babbeh mayses' But that is their 'shitta'twist the truth to suit your agenda.Todays generation of young Lubavitcher naronim don't even know what 'truth' means at all
Let us count the words used without meaning here:
"They". "Normal Ones". "Them". "Nosi Hadeyr". "Dead". "Self elected". "anybody". "elected". "Pravda". "Psak Din". "counter". "know". "Rishoinim". "babbeh mayses". "shitta". "twist the truth". "agenda".
What an encyclopedia of ignorance.
The truth here is that every official Lubavitch publication includes zatzal, none say shlita, Nosi Hador is not subject to election, disagreements in Halachah are common and part of yagdil torah veyaadir, human mistakes and mistakes beRotzon Hashem are as different as Heaven and Earth.
Oh, Now I see that u r a Real Lub
U r not in the Distorter Group
'The 'truth' is every 'official' Lubavitch publication includes Zatzal none says shlita'
And the truth is that 770 is run for the Yechiniks by Yechiniks,is full of Yechi and a big percentage of Lubavitch is affiliated with Yechi.For Example the largest Lubavitch yeshiva in the world is Zfas with over 400 hundred boys and radical Yechi, while Kfar Chabad the flagship yeshiva almost closed down a couple of years ago (last I saw it)
So,if you claim to be non yechi,than you have a large bunch of affiliated people who are liars and you supposedly abhor 'sheker'.
If so, what do you want from me,I am not currently Lubab, why are you not fighting sheker in your own backyard, instead focusing on 'de elementen'??
Nosi Hador is not sunject to election.Ok, so who decided that your Rebbe is Nossi?Hashem.Ok, how do you know that your deceased rebbe was chosen?You don't. Than you are a liar.
Actually the Talmud relates a story of Rabbon Gamliel (iirc) being demoted from Nossi and Hillel appointed because R'Gamliel forgot a halocho.So it is an electable office.
Btw, the 'heker tzir' is NOT a disagreement in halocho.Somebody said something based on 'kimevuor barishoinim' and it does not exist.
I don't want anything from you, I didn't want you to come here.
Your comments continue with misused words, such as "affiliation". And your definition of "almost closing down". Is laughable too.
I'd like to help you, but what you really need help with is defining words and constructing arguments. If you would like to change topics, we can begin the tutorial.
'Almost closing down is laughable'
There you go with your lies.
Ninty boys in the flagship yeshiva, while the Meshichist institution is several times that size, means what,that you are a prosteh shakran?
Very funny. There aren't 400 students in Tzfas, and there aren't 90 in Kfar Chabad.
Moving on to further "facts": How many Lubavitcher Yeshiva Gedolos are there in Israel, and how many Yeshiva Ketanas?
You not ony hide from truth, you hide from debating about what you believe. You hide behind grammatical flaws od questioners when it is obvious what point they are making. You hide by attacking people ad hominem without addressing their arguments.
Mamesh a tzadik 'nistar'.
and you, dear poylisher, have no idea what a grammatical flaw vs conceptual flaw is, or what ad hominem attack is. Not one person I challenged to actually pursue their line of thought/attack actually did so. They came, threw a stink bomb and went on.
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